ARD: Laschet reckons with Maischberger as ice cold with Söder – “I kept calling him”

Armin Laschet was a guest of Sandra Maischberger. The interview was about the campaign mistake, Markus Söder and the future of the CDU.

Sandra Maischberger lets in her talk “Maischberger. Die Woche “give the failed CDU chancellor candidates their say. With 24.1 percent, Armin Laschet gave his party the worst result in history. In an interview with Maischberger, Laschet openly admitted his disappointment: “I would have liked to have won,” said the party leader, “I’d rather be Chancellor now and not sit in this chair, but rather during coalition negotiations.”

He mourned Jamaica afterwards, a coalition that “would be better for the country”, the former CDU leader is convinced, because it could have “done more”. He is critical of whether the traffic light can implement what it promises.

Hollywood actor Ralf Moeller comes out to Maischberger as a Laschet friend

The painful look back – Sandra Maischberger doesn’t want to make it too difficult for her CDU guest and lets Hollywood muscle man Ralf Moeller, who describes himself as a friend of Laschet on the show, dish out against the Laschet opponents. They stabbed Laschet “behind the back”, “something like that was” unfair! “.

At “Maischberger”, Laschet made the Söder all-round blow.

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The former head of the Bavarian Broadcasting Corporation Sigmund Gottlieb also pulls the symbolic red card in retrospect: Laschet had to campaign “all alone” because the Union openly “no longer supported” him in large parts. Gottlieb: “I was already thinking: ‘My goodness! What are you doing to this man ?! ‘”

“Maischberger. The week “- these guests came for a one-on-one conversation:

  • Armin Laschet (CDU) – Party leader
  • Ranga Yogeshwar – TV science journalist

As experts:

  • Ralf Moeller German Hollywood actor (“Gladiator”)
  • Anna Mayr – Political editor in the capital office of the Time
  • Sigmund Gottlieb – Former editor-in-chief of Bayerischer Rundfunk

The signs are set, the stage is set and Armin Laschet appears in a suit without a tie, with an open, white shirt collar. The director gives him a studio enema for free. Instead of the usual panning camera to the interview island, Laschet is allowed to enter through the studio door, past applauding spectators.

Once in the seat, Laschet looks back with sadness: “We had a time when Annalena Baerbock was way ahead, then I was way ahead for a long time, and then suddenly Olaf Scholz came in the final sprint.” His summary: “I gave what I could.” But the “very, very many influences” that had an effect on the election campaign would have had an effect.

Laschet in an interview with Sandra Maischberger: Söder is not a superstar!

“’With you we lose the election!’, You are supposed to have said Markus Söder directly to Markus Söder’s face,” Maischberger holds against Laschet. He hesitates for a long time before answering, squirms in the armchair and finally pulls himself together: “I don’t carry any internal information to the outside,” he says and has already given away enough with his body language.

Maischberger continues to wonder whether he still considers himself the right candidate for chancellor. Laschet gropes for the answer, refers to the support of two thirds of the CDU – and then speaks Tacheles: He is sure that Söder had just as tough an election campaign. Laschet does not see the “superstar” that some wanted him to be styled in Söder. Then he turns to the moderator with a rhetorical question: “Surely the whole republic would not have said from left to right: ‘Please become Federal Chancellor!’?”

Maischberger wants to know when the relationship with his Bavarian colleague started to crack, and Laschet willingly provides information. The relationship between the two Union colleagues was “very good for a long time,” said the Aachen resident, “I really believed him a lot.” It was only during the election campaign that trust suffered. “At first I was surprised that he (Söder) even started,” admits Laschet frankly.

When the continuous fire from Bavaria did not subside, he called Söder again and again: “Markus, leave it! Markus, why are you saying that again now? ”But he would always have replied that he was quoted incorrectly. Laschet buckled: “It was always different.” Maischberger now wants to know why Söder behaved this way. That is a mystery to him to this day, “because it is of no use to the CSU either. The CSU would also be stronger if we governed together in Berlin. “

Laschet confesses to Maischberger: The flood image still annoys him “to death” today

Then a quick look back. Maischberger plays a photo wall with Laschet’s biggest election campaign faux pas – all of them come from the flood area. Lash like a wet poodle in heavy rain. Then again shielded during the citizens’ talk – but the umbrella only covers the Prime Minister and apparently leaves the local resident in the rain. The laugh during the Federal President’s speech and his own speech in front of a mountain of rubble.

Laschet shows himself to be insightful, but also makes it clear how brief the imagery can be. Especially if photos only show a section – as in two of the pictures, for example, not the second umbrella or Olaf Scholz, who was just a meter away from him “in the rain” and just as soaked. Laschet, on the other hand, appears genuinely contrite in the laughing photo that Frank-Walter Steinmeier showed him during the funeral speech. Laschet: “A big mistake”.

At that time he had been out and about in the flood area for days. Had the need, the grief of the people experienced first hand, hugged many, donated consolation – but in the end this tenth of a second was decisive for how many people in Germany had experienced it for the first time. The still party leader: “It annoys me to death – to this day”.

What’s next with the CDU? Maischberger directs the view to the future of the Union. Will Friedrich Merz Laschet’s successor? Will he choose him? Laschet doesn’t want to get out with the language. Everything is still open. He prefers to talk about his duties as a member of the Bundestag, he wants to continue working in foreign and European policy, Germany has to remain an industrial country, but adhere to climate protection goals and also get personal again: No longer being Prime Minister of North Rhine-Westphalia fills him with “sadness “. Only his wife, according to the 60-year-old, was “somewhat relieved” about the lost chancellorship. (Verena Schulemann)

List of rubric lists: © Screenshot / ARD-Mediathek

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